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** Master Airscrew 6x6 3-prop [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=371] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=284]
** Master Airscrew 6x6 3-prop [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=371] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=284]
** '''Misc:'''
** '''Misc:'''
*** Shaft adapter to suit 3.0mm motor shaft (collet) [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=208]
*** Shaft adapter to suit 3.0mm motor shaft (collet) [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=5677] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=208]
*** Ultralight Collet Prop Adapter for 3mm Shaft, M5 [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=208]
*** Ultralight Collet Prop Adapter for 3mm Shaft, M5 [http://www.hobby-lobby.com/ultralight_collet_prop_adapter_for_3mm_shaft_m5_1193_prd1.htm] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=208]
*** Spare Rubber Ring for Prop Saver
*** Spare Rubber Ring for Prop Saver [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=8234]
*** KD Colet adapter for 3mm shafts [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=78]
*** KD Colet adapter for 3mm shafts [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=5572] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=78]
*** Extreme accuracy Prop/Rotor balancer [http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7702] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=65]
*** Extreme accuracy Prop/Rotor balancer [http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7702] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=65]
*** Top Flite Power Point Balancer [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=65]
*** Top Flite Power Point Balancer [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=65]
* '''Servo:'''
* '''Servo:'''
** HXT900 - Great value, same as Towerpro SG90 [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=393]
** HXT900 - Great value, same as Towerpro SG90 [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=662] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=393]
** Towerpro SG90 micro servo 9 gram [http://shop.righthere.nu/Airplanes-Electric/AXN-Clouds-Fly/prod_951.html]
** Towerpro SG90 micro servo 9 gram [http://shop.righthere.nu/Airplanes-Electric/AXN-Clouds-Fly/prod_951.html]
** Hitec HS-65HB Micro Karbo Gear Servo
** Hitec HS-65HB Micro Karbo Gear Servo
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** Futaba 9C
** Futaba 9C
* '''Gyro:'''
* '''Gyro:'''
** Turnigy TG-380 - Light, extra channel switch for on/off, gain by travel adjustment [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sOUMHHMwNM]
** Turnigy TG-380 - Light, channel switch for on/off, gain by travel adjustment [http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=6755] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sOUMHHMwNM]
** E-Sky EK2-0704 - In rate mode [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=202] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=59]
** E-Sky EK2-0704 - In rate mode [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=202] [http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336&page=59]
* '''Camera:'''
* '''Camera:'''

Revision as of 20:09, 17 March 2011

Airplane floaterjet overview.jpg
Airplane floaterjet package.jpg
Airplane floaterjet motor.jpg
Airplane floaterjet wings.jpg
File:Airplane floaterjet parts.jpg
File:Airplane floaterjet cockpit.jpg

This is a powered glider plane. It balances and stabilizes nicely, a powerful motor makes it possible to climb fast and glide around.

Specifications

  • Also called Floater Jet by Hobby King
  • Released 2008
  • Type: Powered glider, high mount pusher
  • Airframe: EPO (Expanded polypropylene) foam [1] [2]
  • Length: 840mm (measured)
  • Wingspan 1280mm (measured)
  • Wing area: 0.23m^2 / 23dm^2
  • Stock weight: 600-650gram (Servo, ESC, Rx, Bat)
  • Payload capacity: 200-350 grams (at least) [3]
  • Reinforcement: Black 750x8mm glass fiber spar tube in the wings and embedded tube along in the tail section
  • Recommended flying area: 300x300 meters
  • Product page: http://www.rc-model.cn/802.htm

Kits

  • AXN-clouds AXN Floater-Jet with Servo, Motor, ESC, EPO (PNF) - Hobby King 53USD [4]
  • AXN-C-MOT Floater-Jet EPO with Motor (ARF) - Hobby King March 2011 40USD
  • AXN-C-KIT Floater-Jet EPO (ARF) - Hobby King March 2011 35USD
  • AXN-802SET AXN Floater-Jet Set EPO with servo, motor, esc, battery (PNF) - Low Price RC 60USD
  • AXN-802 AXN Floater-Jet EPO with motor (ARF) - Low Price RC 40USD
  • Similar airplanes:
    • BMI Arrow [5] [6]
    • Blitz RC Works Sky Surfer
    • Xen Skywalker
    • Dynam Hawk Sky
    • Wild Hawk

Manual

Stock setup

  • Motor: 2208N 2150 KV Outrunner 27.7x31.4mm (DxW), 3mm shaft, 40 gram, 18A with 5x5 prop 3s, 9 mm tube motor mount, 16x16 mm bolt pattern [7]
  • Propeller: EMP 5x5 Electric propeller, comes in pairs
  • ESC:
    • Revision 1: AOXAN AE-20A Brushless Programmable ESC Linear 2A BEC 2-4S 26x50x11.5mm, soldered directly to motor 18 awg wire, battery wire 16 awg [8] [9] [10]
    • Revision 2: AOXAN AE-25A Brushless Programmable ESC Linear 2A BEC 2-4S 26x50x11.5mm, Deans battery-connector
  • Servos: Blue Micro Servo 9 grams JR-connector

Tips

  • Center of gravity 50-55 mm from leading wing edge, on wing spar rods, 56 mm minimum drag [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]
  • CG perfect with 3S 2200 mAh battery, a 1300 mAh is tail heavy, need to expand the room for the battery
  • First flights, best to set up CG as far forward as possible and a little noise heavy then tail heavy [17]
  • Change prop to 6x4E for more efficient flight, avoid going over 18A on stock motor and ESC combination [18]
  • Replace stock 20A ESC for a safer more capable 25A or 30A, using a higher rated ESC than necessary will run inefficient, less flight time although cool ESC, now comes with 25A ESC stock
  • Get an ESC with +10A over the maximum amperage for the motor [19]
  • Fasten the battery and canopy properly to allow rolls and loops without loosing parts
  • Add fiber reinforced tape to the bottom of the plane to ease landing on rough surfaces
  • On stock motor, re-glue magnets with epoxy or CA glue after a few flights
  • Use a rubber-band and mount, magnets, or velcro, to keep the wings tighter together [20] [21]
  • Mount the propeller the right way, the concaved or inward bent curve of the propeller should face the tail, text the front
  • The text must face toward the front, or on pusher propellers to the back [22]
  • If propeller is mounted the correct way but rotates the wrong way, swap any two of the three motor wires between the motor and ESC
  • Cut off excess length of the push-rods to avoid poking holes in battery or ESC
  • During launch, use 45-50% throttle, trim elevator down a few clicks or program flap-switch to 15-20% elev up to avoid diving, hard throw 20% up into the air, clear elevator up trim [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]
  • Use blue threadlock on push-rod connectors and any metal to metal screws or nuts
  • Use threadlock on all screws on the motor and motor mount [28]
  • Loosen up the foam on rudder, elevator, aileron hinges, or cut them off and re-attach with packing tape
  • Use 3M double-sided tape to fasten and packing tape to cover the aileron servos, easy to remove for later repairs
  • FPV: video transmitter on the tail, OSD under wing fuselage, camera on canopy, 1800 mAh battery
  • Pick a small enough propeller to allow the motor to run efficiently, avoid overloading and burning the motor, use WebOCalc [29]
  • Change the prop-saver for a collet-adapter, less vibration, prop-saver not needed on pusher plane [30]
  • Straighten crooked foam by dipping it in hot water, not boiling, and reform it by hand, use spoon for any pimples [31] [32]
  • Mix 30-50% rudder into aileron on the transmitter for tighter corner turns [33]
  • Set-up throttle-to-elevator mixing on Tx, -15% to stay flat on all throttle positions [34]
  • Mark the wingtips with red decals/tape to easier identify the orientation of the airplane against the sky
  • Always take-off against the wind and the same for landing, against the wind as lower landing-speed requires more lift to avoid stall
  • Use the inner-most hole on the wing-horn and the outer-most hole on the servo-arm for maximum throw [35] [36]
  • To make the plane less reactive/twitchy for beginners, use push-rod on inner hole of servo and outer hole on the control horn, can also be range/exponential limited on transmitter [37]
  • Flaperons can help to make landing and launching easier, more angle of attack for resistance and decrease airspeed, replace Y-cable by two seperate aileron channels, programmed by the transmitter, spoilerons are flaperons inverted up [38]
  • Thrust line should pass through both the center of mass and the center of drag [39] [40]
  • Motor pod should have an angle pointing through the center-of-gravity point, called thrust line, to minimize elevator pitch down effect when throttling up the motor [41]
  • For prop-saver, attach the o-ring around the prop and to the 2 grub screws straight no crossing, more centered this way [42] [43]
  • Change the motor if the motor begins to vibrate during testing and propeller is balanced, motor is unbalanced [44]
  • To keep the same ESC current draw, when going up in prop size go down in motor Kv [45]
  • Throws: aileron 10 mm up or down, use outside hole of horn, elevator 5mm up or down, middle hole, rudder 20 mm both ways, middle hole [46] [47]
  • For maximum aileron throw, adjust travel on transmitter to 140% and cut a dent in the EPO at the edge for the servo arm and push-rods [48]
  • Turn the servos around with the head pointing to the rear, frees up servo arm movement and avoids binding on max down, easiest accomplished by swapping right with left servo
  • Add a gyro to aileron for more stable flight in windy conditions, will give minimum roll effect on rudder input, use fast servos [49] [50]
  • Use a gyro on elevator (pitch) to make landing easier in gusty wind conditions [51]
  • On a 45 degree dive and 1/4 throttle, release elevator stick, plane should level back, tail heavy if continuous dive and nose heavy if alternating climb/diving bumping [52] [53]
  • The thrust-to-weight ratio is 1:1 when a motor generates the same thrust as the weight of the plane [54]
  • Minimum 1:2 static thrust to weight for leisurely flight, 1:1 for aerobatics, and atleast 1.4:1 for 3D and hovering [55]
  • Wrap ferrite ring on BEC power lead to receiver to eliminate high frequency current noise from the ESC, 5-7 times round, helps wobbly lines on FPV cameras [56]
  • Propeller dimensions, e.g. 6x4, means that the diameter (length) is 6-inches and the total distance traveled for one rotation is 4-inches [57]
  • Increased prop-pitch gives increased speed but poorer acceleration, increased diameter increases thrust and current draw but lowers RPM and speed [58] [59]
  • Flatten wing tips or shorten them for better rolls, speed and agility, it decreases the dihedral effect [60] [61]
  • Desolder cable between ESC and motor to add 3.5 mm bullet connectors with heat shrink, easier for repairs and to replace ESC
  • Enable air-brake on ESC to stop propeller free-turning on no throttle and gliding, will draw small amount of current [62]
  • Put the two Y-cable connectors in the square space between the wing halves [63]
  • For a more stable elevator, make a groove on the underside and put a 3-4mm carbon fiber rod from tip to tip, use any type of CA glue, perhaps while tape on top [64] [65]
  • Balance propeller using a magnetic bearing propeller balancer, add thin tape to the back of the lighter blade of the propeller or sand the back of the heavy side, not the tips [66]
  • ESC setup: motor brake ON, battery type Lipo, battery low cut-off, cut-off voltage high (3.2V), start mode normal, timing mode high, govenor mode off [67]

ESC Setup

  • Air break: On (Hold propeller still)
  • Battery type: Lithium-polymer
  • Cut-off type: Soft-cut (Gracefully lower motor power)
  • Cut-off voltage: High (3.1V)
  • Start mode: Normal (Instant acceleration)
  • Timing mode: High (12+ pole motors)
  • Lipo cells: Auto detect
  • Governor mode: Off (Heli only)

Swap 2 of the 3 motor wires to reverse the motor rotation to go clockwise seen from the tail.

Glues

  • Polyurethane (PU) - Light, foams, some filler, humidity activated, slow curing - Best for fixing any type of foam, deep cracks [68] [69]
    • Gorilla Glue Quick Cure, Loctite SUMO (less foam)
  • Cyanoacrylate (CA) - Flows into cracks, brittle - Fasten plastic parts together, e.g. servo horns, sizing ring propeller, carbon fiber rod to foam
    • Super Glue, Krazy Glue
  • Epoxy - Structural, filler - Any structure, undercarriage, FPV camera-mount
    • Various curing time and brands available
  • Contact adhesive - Flexible, sticky
    • Shoe Goo, Zap-A-Dap-A-Goo [70] [71]index.php?title=Foam
  • Silicone adhesive - Flexible - Mount plastic to foam, e.g. motor mount to foam [72]
    • Loctite, Liquid Nails
  • Hot glue - Heavy, could melt foam - Fasten plastic to foam, e.g. position servos or plastic motor mount
    • Try thin, medium warm glue

Upgrades

  • Battery:
    • Hyperion G3 VX 3S 2200 mAh 35C
    • ZIPPY Flightmax 2200mAh 3S1P 20C
    • Turnigy 1800mAh 3S 20C Lipo Pack [73]
  • ESC:
    • Turnigy Plush 30amp Speed Controller [74]
    • Turnigy Plush 40amp Speed Controller [75]
    • Turnigy Plush 25amp Speed Controller - gets hot
    • Castle Creations Thunderbird 36 ESC
    • TowerPro H40A Brushless Speed Controller [76]
    • HobbyKing 40A BlueSeries Brushless Speed Controller [77]
    • HobbyWing Pentium 25A Programmable Brushless ESC [78]
    • Misc:
      • Turnigy BESC Programming Card [79] [80] [81]
      • Turnigy 3A UBEC with Noise Reduction [82]
  • Motor:
    • Grayson GH Micro Jet V3 2200 KV Brushless Outrunner Motor - Light 34 grams, powerful [83] [84]
    • Hoffman Magnetics Super Sport Series Outrunner 2470kv - Powerful, try 4.75x4.75 or 5x5 prop [85] [86]
    • MicroDAN 2505 Speed 2800 Kv Bright Finish - Pricey, mounting tube 8 mm, new mounting plate needed, 6x4E Sport prop S3 [87] [88]
    • Suppo 2212-06 2200KV motor [89] [90] [91]
    • BP A2212-6 - Same as Suppo 2212-06
    • Grayson GH Super Mega Jet V2 2550 KV Brushless Outrunner - Try apc 6x4e prop [92] [93]
    • TowerPro 2409-12T Brushless Outrunner 1600Kv - Powerful, try, 6x4e, 7x6e prop, silent, mounting tube 9mm, direct drop-in, soft steel, use collet-adapter [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99] [100] [101]
    • RCTimer BC2826-6 2200kv - Powerful, try TGS 6x4E/6x5E prop [102] [103] [104] [105] [106]
    • RCTimer 2212-6 2200kv - Same as RCTimer BC2826-6 [107] [108]
    • Emax CF2822 1200 KV Outrunner Brushless Motor - Mounting tube 10-11mm [109]
    • Emax CF2812 1600 KV Outrunner Brushless Motor - Mounting tube 10-11mm [110]
    • FC 28-12 Brushless Outrunner 1534kv - Clone of Emax CF2812, try 7x6, mounting tube 11mm [111] [112]
    • A2208/9 17A 2200KV Outrunner Brushless motor V2 - Try 5x5 prop [113] [114]
    • Moxie MOX-X2208N-2100 Brushless Outrunner Motor 2100KV - Try 5x5 prop, mounting tube 8mm, direct drop-in, very similar to stock motor [115] [116] [117]
    • Scorpion SII-2212-1850KV V2 - Try 5x5E [118] [119] [120]
    • Black Mantis B2836 2200kv Inrunner Brushless Motor - Silent [121]
    • hexTronik HXM2730-3000 Brushless Outrunner 3000kv - Light 24 grams, try 4.1X4.1 prop, mounting tube drop-in, HK comment [122]
    • Turnigy TR 28-26 16A 1900Kv Brushless Outrunner, HK comment [123] [124]
    • Turnigy TR 35-30A 1700kv Brushless Outrunner - Try APC 7x5e prop [125]
    • Misc:
      • MicroDan GBx Motor Mount for converting backplate motors to 8mm tube style motor mounts
      • HXT 8mm Alloy Motor Mount 2.5g [126]
  • Propeller:
    • APC 6x4E [127] [128]
    • TGS Sport 6x4E Precision propeller - Less noise, climbs steeper, flies easier [129] [130] [131] [132]
    • APC 6x3E [133]
    • Master Airscrew 6x3.5 prop [134] [135]
    • TGS 6x5E - For 2S battery [136]
    • APC 6x4 Sport [137]
    • APC 7x5E prop - Adjust motor pod angle
    • APC 7x6E style
    • Master Airscrew 6x6 3-prop [138] [139]
    • Misc:
      • Shaft adapter to suit 3.0mm motor shaft (collet) [140] [141]
      • Ultralight Collet Prop Adapter for 3mm Shaft, M5 [142] [143]
      • Spare Rubber Ring for Prop Saver [144]
      • KD Colet adapter for 3mm shafts [145] [146]
      • Extreme accuracy Prop/Rotor balancer [147] [148]
      • Top Flite Power Point Balancer [149]
  • Servo:
    • HXT900 - Great value, same as Towerpro SG90 [150] [151]
    • Towerpro SG90 micro servo 9 gram [152]
    • Hitec HS-65HB Micro Karbo Gear Servo
    • Hitec Micro Servo HS-82MG metal gear - Bit heavy
  • Receiver:
    • Hobby King DSM2 Compatible Parkflyer 2.4Ghz Receiver
  • Transmitter:
  • Gyro:
    • Turnigy TG-380 - Light, channel switch for on/off, gain by travel adjustment [153] [154]
    • E-Sky EK2-0704 - In rate mode [155] [156]
  • Camera:
    • Mini DV MD80-AEE [157]
    • 808 Car Keys Micro Camera #3 - 720x480 resolution [158]
  • Misc:
    • Spektrum trainer cable 1/8-inch mono jack - For PPM out, EzUHF later
    • Light weight horn set - Same horn as in Clouds Fly package
    • Ultra Thin Foam Glue 40ml
    • Evotite CA460 Foam Safe Super Glue (Medium)
    • Turnigy High Density R/C LED Flexible Strip-White (1mtr)
    • XT Lipo Monitor 3S
    • Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 16AWG (1mtr) Black
    • Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 16AWG (1mtr) Red
    • Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 18AWG (1mtr) Black
    • Turnigy Pure-Silicone Wire 18AWG (1mtr) Red
    • Turnigy 4mm Heat Shrink Tube - Red
    • Turnigy 4mm Heat Shrink Tube - Black
    • 3.5mm 3 wire Bullet-connector for motor
    • Nylon T-Connectors Deans
    • JR Y Servo Lead 30CM Length
    • 15CM Servo Lead Extention (JR) 26AWG
    • High stength fiber tape 20mm x 50mtr
    • Nylon Snap-Click style clevis 10pc - For rudder and elevator pushrod
    • Pushrod Snap Connectors 1.5mm (5pack)
      • Dubro Servo Arms Micro XL
    • Gorilla glue amber - To fix foam [159] [160]
    • HXT900-G HXT900 Replacement Gear Set
    • Aileron horn low-profile 18x16x1mm - For holding wings together with rubber band
    • Carbon Fiber Tube (hollow) 3x2x750mm - For elevator strength
    • 5 Spoke Wheel Shock Absorbing D60xH18mm [161] [162]
    • Turnigy Watt Meter and power Analyzer [163]
    • Quality Epoxy Glue 30 minutes
    • Double Sided Tape Pack 110BS

Shops

Guides

Threads

Terms

  • LE - Leading-Edge of the wing
  • WOT - Wide-open Throttle
  • CG - Center of Gravity
  • COG - Same as CG
  • CL - Center of Lift
  • AUW - All Up Weight
  • TOW - Take-Off Weight
  • LG - Landing-Gear
  • EPO - Expanded PolyOlefin

Builds

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